So Liaf, When Do You Believe Christ was Born and Died?

For years we've been offering messages regarding the birth and death of Christ, calendars, astronomical calculations, the Pyramid, and so forth. It's time for me to offer what I believe are the years our Lord was born and died. Someone may ask, "I thought you said 2BC and 33AD? Well, I did, sort of, based on Pyramid dating. However, there is a problem I have with the Pyramid. The dating of the passages depends on which way we measure. Is it the top, mid, or bottom of the passages, and what justification do we have to use one over the other? Also, can we be certain of the 2141BC "scored lines" datum? Remember, the scored lines are what sets the "absolute" time as opposed to relative time from one point to the next measuring by a pyramid inch. For those of you that have a hard time understanding what I mean by the top, center or bottom of the passages, I think you can imagine this better if we take a wheel on a car. If you measure the circumference of the tire at the tread, that will be greater than that of the rim. Yet, you can imagine the inside of the tire as a circular "passageway". In a like manner, depending on which end one measures the pyramid's passages, a different result can occur. David Davidson used the centerline whereas books by Capt use the base. Likewise, Davidson uses 2144BC as the date of the scored lines, as opposed to Capt's 2141BC (Liaf's astronomy program stated 2146BC). This is how the death dates of Christ can differ by 3 years; Capt's is 33AD and Davidson's is 30AD. So, we can look at the pyramid's interpretation the same general way people interpret the bible. Both are the Word of God, but depending who interprets (or measures) it, we can get slightly different results. And this is why I am not adamant about exact pyramid dating.

One thing I can be certain of is that nobody disagrees on the "Christ Triangle". The right triangle is formed by two simple criteria: the angle of the ascending passage, and the vertical height of the step down going to the Queen's chamber. Both are measurements that are agreed upon. (The top of the triangle ends where the grand gallery opens up and also the Queen's chamber horizontal passage intersects. If we project the step down going to the Queen's chamber horizontally to the ascending passage, the intersection creates a right triangle). Now, before I go further stating the dates I believe Christ was born and when he died, I want to impress upon my readers that the hypotenuse of that little triangle created in the pyramid is 33.512 pyramid inches. We know (even by the bible) that was the length of Jesus' life. As a matter of fact, that would translate to a nice, even 12240 days. Even if we do not agree on the date of the scored lines, I severely doubt if anyone would have trouble measuring a triangle accurately under 3 feet! In addition, we know Jesus died at Passover, which is basically at full moon. 12240 days is 414.5 lunar cycles before Christ's death date making his birth occur at the Feast of Trumpets. So, with that foundational knowledge of the pyramid, I want you to hold that "Christ Triangle" thought for a while.

How do we "calculate" or ascertain the birth and death date of Christ for certain? Well, I have a few criteria, and my belief fits all of them. I welcome and challenge anyone to come up with other dates to fit all these criteria. Sometimes it's easiest to start with the simple stuff and if a year does not fit, we can discard it immediately without going through all the criteria.

So, when was Christ born and when did he die? Here's the criteria:

Wednesday Crucifixion

First and foremost, we should use astronomy to calculate back to when the most likely day of the new moon occurred in Spring such that the 14th of Nisan was on a Wednesday. This is a little risky to say for certain because at that time the calendar was based on observation. However, for reasons I will not elaborate until later, it should be a year when Passover would occur late March. If we use traditional historical sources and limit our search to say, 26AD to 36AD, we find there are very limited years this can occur, so right away you narrow it down to 2, maybe 3 candidate years. The reason why 33AD was accepted (and I do not accept that year) is because no matter how you calculate it, the 14th of Nisan most likely occurred on a Friday that year if we go by observation (as opposed to a calculated Jewish calendar which could make it 2 days earlier). If we stay closer to the "sighted moon" model rather than calculate the calendar back to a time when calculations did not exist, then we are in safer territory. Sadly to say, there are Pyramidologists who believe in the Friday crucifixion, even Capt, that contradicts Matthew 12:40 when Jesus made it very clear that 3 full days and 3 full nights (like Jonah) would transpire before he would arise again. We already have oodles of messages out regarding the fallacy of reckoning parts of days, especially when the Jewish calendar is considered (i.e. the partial 3 days only fits a pagan calendar).

Pyramid Timeline

Since we know the pyramid has Jesus' lifetime as being 12240 days, calculating back to that date better come to the astronomically sighted moon of the Feast of Trumpets. Since 12240 is 12240 days, the lunar cycle is the same no matter what year you pick for the crucifixion. They all will come back to the new moon. HOWEVER, is it a sighted new moon? Programs can accurately simulated the moon's position and depending where it was relative the ecliptic, not all moons 12240 days earlier can be sighted --- one would have to wait another day. Such is the case with the 33AD date. Capt accurately says that Jesus was born the Feast of Trumpets, but 12240 days earlier we see the moon is indeed new, but I have severe doubts that it was "sighted" until the next day. So for that time interval using 33AD, the birth date until the death date of Christ is really 12239 days and 2BC does not work. The year(s) I use does pass this test.

The Woman of Revelation 12

Herod and the Lunar Eclipse at Christ's Birth

We must not ignore conventional reporting and history. According to Josephus, Herod died after a lunar eclipse, but before Passover. The problem is that there are several eclipses that occurred. Take your pick. Again, Capt uses the Jan 1BC eclipse (making Jesus born 2BC or earlier) but there was also one in December of 1BC just before 1AD commenced. Grant it, the eclipse was partial with half of the moon in a shadow and the other half probably blood red whereas Capt's proposed eclipse was total. But that being said, the lunar eclipse of December 1BC was observable at moonrise making everyone aware of it. Capt's eclipse although more spectacular, was in the deep hours of the night where fewer people would have known about it. The very fact that theologians debate over this eclipse leads me to believe that this is not as serious of a criteria (like the previous two), and in this case both mine and Capt's pass the test.

Eclipse of the Moon at the Crucifixion (possible baloney)

Peter quotes the bible at Pentecost that the sun will be darkened and the moon will turn blood red before the great and terrible Day of the Lord. On April 3, 33AD the moon was eclipsed blood red as Christ was supposedly taken from the cross and buried. My proposed year and date has a lunar eclipse, but it's only partial on the night before the crucifixion at the last supper, so this test apparently fails--- but does it? We know that the sun was darkened at the crucifixion, but by what? Apocryphal sources say that the eclipse occurred after its own custom. However, Passover always occurs at FULL MOON and this was NOT a solar eclipse. (So that apocryphal statement is bunk) This was supernatural. Or again, maybe a natural occurrence. Perhaps some atmospheric dust or sand? Remember, a lot of natural disturbances occurred at Christ's death. But I can say for certain that the sun was not eclipsed. There is another phenomenon that can turn the moon blood red: atmospheric impurities. For example, sometimes there is sand kicked up in the atmosphere toward the Mediterranean Sea that would make a rising moon look blood red. And this could have been the same atmospheric phenomenon that darkened the sun earlier. I think it's foolish to assume that because the moon was darkened that this was due to an eclipse. If the sun did not need an eclipse to darken in this instance, then the same could be said of the moon; so to adamantly say that the crucifixion had to occur at a lunar eclipse is shaky at best. So, to conclude these criteria, if an eclipse was needed (which I do not agree it was) then my year probably fails but Capt's passes.

So, what are the dates and years I believe our Lord was born and died?

Before I say when, let me "recapt" (LOL) these 5 tests and compare them to the 33AD crucifixion date that Capt accepts:

Wednesday test: Mine Passes, Capt's Fails (but he believes in a Friday crucifixion so he believes his passes for his proposed year)
Pyramid Timeline: Mine Passes, Capt's Fails even though he said it does not and agrees the birth was the Feast of the Trumpets.
The Woman of Revelation 12: Mine Passes, Capt's Fails and he does not even mention Revelation 12 or seems to be aware of it.
Herod's Historical Death: Both ours pass.
Lunar eclipse at crucifixion: Mine fails (although I say it is not needed), and Capt's Passes.

So, using these criteria, the score is Mine: 4; Capt's 2 (out of a possible 5)

So….. Here are the dates I believe:

Birth: September 18, 1BC

Death: March 24, 34AD

Time span between them: 12240 days making Christ born late on a Sabbath into the night as Sunday commenced (the same day of the week he arose, and I did not even make that a criteria). Capt has Christ born on the uneventful day of Monday. The lunar cycle was such that in both of these dates that the moon was definitely in a sufficient position to view for the start of the month. In addition, the sun clothed Virgo nicely while the moon was under her feet. And one other thing. Sir Isaac Newton used his detailed calculations to confirm the very likely date of Wednesday March 24, 34AD as Nisan 14. I agree, and I feel a tad more confident with such as scientific/religious brain behind my assertions.